Blu Ray vs HD DVD

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Blu Ray vs HD DVD

Post by Robert Paulson » Wed May 17, 2006 2:43 am

Any opinions on this brewing fight?

HD DVD

Blu Ray

The whole monitoring your player from HD DVD sounds very big brother to me, and what if I live in a place that doesn't have a cable connection.

I like the "you can't scratch it" and 50 gig storeage from Blue Ray. I'd be nice to be able to back my hard drive up on 3 Discs rather than chosing what's important that will fit on 3 DVD's.

I wonder if anyone will be able to make a HD DVD or Blue Ray decoder.

just an aside, I love that double layer media for regular DVD is still expensive as shit.[/url]
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Post by Shwiggie » Wed May 17, 2006 2:49 pm

I personally think BD-DVD is the better of the two technologies, but I A)have a hard time supporting Sony's format and B) think it'll be harder to crack. HD-DVD seems to simply be a higher capacity, blue laser compatible DVD disc rather than a new medium with new features like BD.

I say wait until one dies out before buying into either. Let everybody else buy the $500 players and stuff, at least until somebody comes out with a dual format player for a decent price.
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Post by RobotJerk » Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:56 am

I don't think either format's going to win until some real movies start getting released.

Have you SEEN the shit that gets advertised as being available in these formats?

"Stealth" could be in 2160p 3-D holograms and it'd still suck.
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Post by MainCoon » Tue Oct 17, 2006 7:30 pm

I like both formats. Both have their own strengths and weaknesses.

They should provide the SAME video quality if the compressionists do their job right, provide an "artifact-free" image.

My main interest in Blu-Ray/HD-dvd is the new, advanced audio codecs. Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-Master Audio, and (the holy grail of audio) 5.1 LPCM audio tracks!

This is where I get torn between the two (Im not gonna mention studio support cause well...thats kind of what this war is ALL about.)

HD-DVD supports almost ALL the new audio formats. Dolby D+ and TrueHD, but so far NO mention of support for dts-MA. Its been mentioned that it may work but no titles are available and so far no player has been announced that had an output for it. Now it has for Blu-Ray. Most of 20th Century Fox's next wave are all gonna have dts-MA tracks. Unfortunatly none of the Blu-Ray players support it. WTF?!! I dont really give a rip about it at the moment cause Blu-Ray has the best audio option...LPCM 5.1 tracks on current releases!!

Thats my HD war rant for now. Just to let you know, Im not really biased towards one format or the other at this time in the "war". Nothing is really set in stone. It wont be for years.
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Post by MainCoon » Mon Nov 13, 2006 11:43 pm

Not too many of us can even afford the players...

What is keeping you (everyone) from buying a HD-DVD/Blu-ray player/software?

Prices?

Studio support?

Will the addon player for 360 interest you? $200, iirc.

Playstation 3?

Waiting for "universal" player to show up?

Just curious since no one posted after me. I figured the HD content was still a niche hobby. Im sure you all like cheap SD dvds just like I do.
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Post by RobotJerk » Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:08 pm

I don't think either format will take off until HD-ready sets become more affordable. $899 for a bare-bones set ain't bad, but still pricey. I think most people believe you have to pay $2000+ to get an HD set because of all of the plasma and LCD televisions that are advertised, and don't realize you can get a 52" projection-screen HD set for a fraction of the price.
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Post by MainCoon » Mon Nov 20, 2006 1:49 am

You know what? ...it's funny.

The feature I LEAST care about on both formats....

THE PICTURE

Seriously, I think I'm the only person out there that just wants both formats for the sound alone.
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Post by Robert Paulson » Tue Nov 28, 2006 6:43 pm

MainCoon wrote:You know what? ...it's funny.

The feature I LEAST care about on both formats....

THE PICTURE

Seriously, I think I'm the only person out there that just wants both formats for the sound alone.
I want the one that's going to be outdated the LEAST quickly. At a certain point you are going to be at the limits of the film quality. That format will probably last the longest, as we probably won't buy an "upgrade" media that doesn't give us anything as far as quality (e.g. minidics).

I always kind of pictured a media like minidics for the "new" dvds. Where the packaging is small and it's in a protective shell that can be replaced if broken.
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Post by MainCoon » Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:55 pm

I want the one that's going to be outdated the LEAST quickly.
As much as I don't want to be biased towards one format or the other...I think in terms of which would last the longest from the technical side: I'd give the edge to Blu-ray. Higher memory bandwidth and storage. But that's just being simple.
At a certain point you are going to be at the limits of the film quality.
Eh...not so. Maybe the limits if digital photography since pretty much all the cinema-HD cams are limited to a 2k x 2k area, for the most part. Most are only 1920x1080@60. Film, otoh, has a theoretical resolution of over 4k x 4k...even moreso if grain was completely eliminated.

Right now, the thing killing BOTH formats is the price. And limited selection...

I'm not too worried about the future of dvd, it will be around for a long time... but the future is HD. We said the same thing about dvd...and the same things were happening to it that even HD didn't even have to go through....

I bet none of you remember that it took 20th Century Fox and Paramount 2 years to even start rolling out (really bad) dvds. Most of which are now replaced with unrated, extended, double-dipped dvds.
I always kind of pictured a media like minidics for the "new" dvds. Where the packaging is small and it's in a protective shell that can be replaced if broken.
I love how you brought up Minidisc...most people in the US hate minidisc...eh, I won't get on a rant about it...but I plan on getting a new minidisc recorder for xmas...I hope I do!
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Post by Robert Paulson » Wed Nov 29, 2006 8:13 am

MainCoon wrote: I love how you brought up Minidisc...most people in the US hate minidisc...eh, I won't get on a rant about it...but I plan on getting a new minidisc recorder for xmas...I hope I do!
The only thing I hated about them was that they couldn't record 120 minutes of sound like my tapes could. Also I hated that my Sony MD player took about 15 minutes to record one CD to a minidisc (because Sony is a member of RIAA), and that it had a "check out" system that only allowed one song to be on three different Minidiscs at a time.

The problem it had of never catching on was due to the fact that it wasn't considered a real upgrade. It was the same thing as a CD, but smaller and less versitle, and played in less things.

Actually two years ago after I'd pretty much given my MD player the boot due to the problems it had, and my dad walks in the door with one he bought in Germany. I told him he could have had mine, too bad he couldn't take it back. I don't think he's ever really used it, it was just too hard to get music on the damn thing!
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Post by MainCoon » Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:08 pm

Going a little OT now...

I used to have the older version, yes. They were similar to cd but less versatile, sure. But I had mine years and years before iPod's EVER exsisted and about when MP3's were just hitting the scene. It took realtime to record to my MD deck. A chore but I enjoyed teh music and would just listen while it recorded. Actually, if I recorded right off a CD with a fiber optic cable, the whole CD would record and automatically place track marks.

Now the new MD's are called Hi-MD. The disc hold a 1GB instead of just about 200 mega bytes like the old, 74mins discs. There are so many new features I don't want to get into. Just that for my useage...I like them WAAAYYYY more than any iPod/mp3 player....they be too boring and everyone in the country has one. Hell, your grandma could have a iPod/mp3 player...I don't know anyone with a minidisc...
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Post by die » Tue Dec 05, 2006 3:37 am

I'll be honest, you guys know alot more about this shit than I do so I'm not going to talk out of my ass on the subject :lol:

Alls I know is that I have a shitload of dvds & I can plop a dvd into my pc and make copies of it or download shit & convert it to dvd. I'm nowhere near interested in spending a shitload of cash or upgrading my collection any time soon.
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Post by MainCoon » Tue Dec 05, 2006 6:47 pm

Alls I know is that I have a shitload of dvds & I can plop a dvd into my pc and make copies of it or download shit & convert it to dvd. I'm nowhere near interested in spending a shitload of cash or upgrading my collection any time soon.
Very true! Im not really going to get into either format until the prices drop, big time!

I love going to Worst Buy and coming out with two armfulls of dvds for under $100 sometimes...
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Post by RobotJerk » Sat Mar 24, 2007 2:53 am

RobotJerk wrote:I don't think either format's going to win until some porno movies start getting released.
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Post by Shwiggie » Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:51 am

Based on the recent DVD releases, it seems that Blu-Ray is beating HD's lily white ass. Even Microsoft's talking about a possible BD-DVD drive for Xbox 360 in the future.
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