There is a pretty strong case, which I find compelling, that morality came about through evolution. The early hominids who learned how to work together to hunt big wildlife and huddle for warmth survived and bred. The hominids who went it alone and stole and killed died because they didn't have anyone to help them when things went wrong. Our ancestors probably lived in groups of 50 to 100 hominids, sort of like chimps do today.
Even chimps remember other chimps who have hurt them or helped them. They respond favourably to chimps who have helped them. Elephants, meanwhile, go out of their way to help the injured, and they mourn over their dead. Neither chimps nor elephants worship the Canaanite storm god Christians have come to identify as God. Neither chimps nor elephants are religious. Even the Neanderthals - the other species of human which once lived on this world - lived in co-operative groups and buried their dead. None of them worshipped the Canaanite storm god.
Morality predates religion. Running in supporting packs has benefits for the survival and propagation of the species.
You don't need to invoke God for that.
The origin of religion is pretty easy to explain. As humans developed real intelligence, they still understood little of the world. You and I look at a volcano and we know why it erupts because we understand science. A primitive man thousands of years ago sees the volcano erupt and sees a mountain on fire and doesn't know why. Primitive men with just sticks and rocks to their name didn't have the tools to understand why the seasons change, or why people got sick, or why their crops didn't turn out that one year. On top of that, social groups grew beyond the couple of hundred people most humans feel comfortable around. Religion evolved both to try and explain a world primitive humans did not understand and to try and maintain order over larger numbers of people. If you are an uneducated stone age barbarian, you have no way to know the elder is full of shit when he gets up on a rock and says you have to slaughter a dove once a week to please the storm god, but hey, it sounds good, right?
So, humanoid monkey people were working together in your story, then developed some intelligence and started questioning their existence and their creator. So they quit flinging their own shit, eating each other and drinking their own piss... stuff happened... and now they have reverted back to the subhuman hominid humanzee hybrid known as LIBERALS.
I mean, it sounds like you're just like everybody else and taking a guess at what actually happened, right? The only real question is: why YOU MAD at a sky wizard that doesn't exist?
P.S.: Nice to see one of my posts got deleted.
Which one? You sure it wasn't another post you went back and edited like the one Zytorg just pointed out?
I'm not saying that there isn't a conspiracy though, it could be. I mean, your words are super strong. It's like the type of stuff that could CHANGE MINDS AND CHANGE LIVES.
I'm just saying, I could see why "the other side" would want to silence you.
An atheist doesn't believe in a deity, but if they found one did exist, they may be pleased about it, or they may not be.
An antitheist doesn't believe in a deity, but also believes religion is harmful to society, and would consider it unfortunate if a deity were proven to exist. The most prominent example of this would be the late Christopher Hitchens.
File it all under H for Hipsters.
I mean, who really cares?
If there is a SKY WIZARD, who's gonna want to start beef with him
this shit is DUMB, SON.
This is like Shane disagreeing with Rick but if Rick could throw tsunamis and skullfuck universes.
Christopher Hitchens died in vain.
What, are you going to the Zytorg playbook now? You can't win a debate on the facts, so you have to resort to taking swings at my sex life?
What's next? Are you going to post two more threads full of Glenn Beck chain emails before I can reply, too?
Who is Glenn Beck?
Also, who is Belle Tire?
Are these CANADIAN THINGS?
What if I told you that white people are less likely to be on food stamps and join gangs because of white privilege?
What if I countered with what if I told you white people were less likely to get assistance from NAACP, Al Sharpton, PBCs, Affirmative Action, any diversity centered establishment, The Black Panthers or FUBU due to black privilege?
What if I told you that referencing The Matrix in general is white privilege?
What if I told that the Matrix is a really old movie and pretty much overrated due to poor casting choices and wooden performances and that the trilogy in general was a huge letdown so please reference Blade Runner or Alien or something better in general?
Do you believe in unicorns? Or fairies? Or Zeus? Or Mithras? Or Thor? Or Apollo? Or Krishna? How about Tengri?
All of us are atheists for almost every god that has ever been conceived. Some of us just take it one god further.
If they were real, would you be as angry at them as you are THE CHRISTIAN SKY WIZARD? He seems to be the true inspiration for your butthurtedness. I mean, you'd probably be able to concede, even if you didn't believe in Nostradamus, that several of his "prophecies" are eerie (even though quite vague at times). I think that even a nonbeliever could find the same to be true within the bible.
It does say that in the end days people will be lovers of themselves and consider themselves to be their own god.
Actually that's not true. Morality and organization predate religion and can exist without religion. Organization without religion is called secular law.
I refer you back to your caveman speech from earlier and how humans began to become more intelligent.
I wouldn't be a jerk to Christians if Christians would stop calling me morally inferior for not believing in their superstitious nonsense. I would not have to be a jerk if Christians would stop trying to force their superstitions into secular law. I would not have to be a jerk if Christians would just leave me the fuck alone and stop trying to convert me.
Why though? I tell Mormons the same thing all the time when they come up to my door, I'm not HULK SMASH ANGRY at them like you are at the Sky Wizard
You could just give it a try, I mean, you let the liberals do it to you.
What I am saying is that the system is broken, not any one individual. I mean, look, if you don't get it, you don't get it. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Okay, I lied, maybe it is something to be ashamed of.
This is why you can only get semi-close to my level but never be on it with me. We both agree the system is broken, we both agree that it would be great if we needed ZERO GUNS but I'm the only one in this debate who actually uses some common sense basic intelligence type of problem solving skill. It's just like nukes, nobody is going to disarm because they are scared the other countries won't and they will be vulnerable. People aren't wanting to give up their guns because they are scared they will be vulnerable (outgunned/outmatched/at a disadvantage). You with your infinite hipster hominid logic thinks that GOVERNMENT GUN BUYBACKS is ftw
Also, if your whole theory on white privilege and poverty was true, there'd be no problems now because there are clearly things set up to help people who need help. Drug dealers would be investing, buying stock and retiring instead of buying Escalades and Air Jordans. What you're saying makes ZERO SENSE. It's like you watched a few Michael Bay movies, drank a Coca-Cola and was like EH BUDDY I GOT THIS AMERICA SHIT FIGURED OUT DERRRRRR
Yes, because all black people are rappers. Right.
On another note, CALLED IT: Another die double-post. I've never seen someone so eager to put up post after post about how blacks are the cause of all of America's problems. But, of course, you don't have a problem with blacks, oh no. Not you.
I really do hate to break this to you, because it seems like this is all you have to go on now but THERE IS NO PENALTY FOR BEING RACIST, IT ISN'T AGAINST THE LAW. I know plenty of people that are racist and it's not like I gotta call Crimestoppers on them or something
If I was racist, I wouldn't be scared to be racist. It's just another freedom that some would like to take away. If I had a racist thought, I'd feel free to express it, I mean sky wizard knows I'm not one of those PC apologist types. I love black people just as much as I do white people, I just hate the gang culture, it's societal cancer and I can't make excuses for it at this point. You're just grasping at straws anyway though.
Also, there's no rules against double-posting or editing your posts, right?
I mean, you made that rule up didn't you?
Besides, you and Zytorg had such long chats in here that most of the time you guys were posting 2 or 3 times before I could hit respond so I'd just go back and make a new post rather than editing my posts since it makes you look so stupid when you do it lol.
It's a tough proposition to say absolutely that something doesn't exist. But I give you this example. Say there is an old story that there is a teapot orbiting above the Earth, but our telescopes could not see something the size of a teapot. There is no way to prove the existence of the teapot. It's not then logical to say that "I believe the teapot exists because I can't prove that it doesn't exist."
I'm an antitheist. I also went to religious schools. My view is that even if there were concrete evidence that the God of Abraham exists, it would not prove that his dictates are moral. I consider a lot of what's in the Bible to be immoral. For ex, I don't think it's moral for God to kill Onan for not cumming in his brother's wife.
It's interesting to me that every time an anti-sky wizard liberal begins to share some of his life story, it is like 100% of the time revealed that they went to religious schools/church etc. and was either repressed or had their Vienna sausages touched/sucked by dirty old men in the church. I think its the ptsd and/or bitterness that drives their hatred for all things sky wizard from that moment forward and clouds their judgment in many instances. I mean, I'm not fond of the Mormons that show up plus I think they're kinda weird but also really nice but they are more of a slight annoyance then somebody I have raw hatred in my soul for or something.
But yeah...I would also agree that there are a lot things like that for me as well, but even worse than that is the fact that so many preachers/bible scholars/etc take something vague from the bible and try to warp it into what they want it to be. A good example would be the homosexual thing and people deciding to make FAGS BURN IN HELL signs.
It's funny that I get called a Republican on here and in the real world, Republicans call me Liberal. I love that I equally anger both sides and stay chapping asses.