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Post by die » Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:46 pm

wtf Amazing? Spider-Man 3?

http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/576237/2 ... -actor.htm


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Post by RobotJerk » Sun Dec 21, 2014 2:12 pm

I agree with all the criticism of the villains and tone of the movie, but it's definitely not a prequel to the other trilogy and Gwen had to fucking die.
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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by SoVi3t » Sun Dec 21, 2014 4:41 pm

I like the point about rebooting it to put Peter back in high school, only to start it with yet another graduation.

It isn't a direct prequel, they just mentioned that in essence, it's a prequel. I wouldn't doubt Sony sold it as a prequel, to Marvel, at some point.

And Gwen didn't need to die so early.
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Post by RobotJerk » Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:18 pm

I have a hard time seeing how anyone can consider a reboot that takes place concurrently to the previous series and retells his origin and many of the events of the previous series as a "prequel."

The only reason they put this character who is destined to die in a movie is to kill them off. Dragging her into a third movie instead of killing her at the end of a second just makes it harder to have him get with Mary Jane in part 3 because he should still be mourning Gwen if she just died earlier in the same movie.
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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by SoVi3t » Sun Dec 21, 2014 5:38 pm

RobotJerk wrote:I have a hard time seeing how anyone can consider a reboot that takes place concurrently to the previous series and retells his origin and many of the events of the previous series as a "prequel."
Ok, Ill use capital letters since you seemed to miss it last time.

HE DIDN'T CALL IT A PREQUEL, HE CALLED IT A PREQUEL IN SPIRIT.
The only reason they put this character who is destined to die in a movie is to kill them off. Dragging her into a third movie instead of killing her at the end of a second just makes it harder to have him get with Mary Jane in part 3 because he should still be mourning Gwen if she just died earlier in the same movie.
Gwen's death meant something in comics (and killed the silver age) because they built her character up, rather than introduce her for the sole reason of being killed off. Should Daredevil just bring in Karen Page and instantly make her a heroin addicted porn star, or would it make more sense to slowly build up her character, and the history her and Matt share, and THEN tear it all down?

I'm guessing you wanted Uncle Ben to die in the opening credits, too?
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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by lionheart » Mon Dec 22, 2014 12:36 pm

Slow clap for Tom Cohen. The second Amazing SpiderMan movie was a disjointed mess, and Electro was terribly executed. Gwen's death was good for shock factor, but also destroys any desire to see the next movie because I really liked Emma Stone and Garfield is simply not special.
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Post by RobotJerk » Mon Dec 22, 2014 3:42 pm

SoVi3t wrote:It isn't a direct prequel, they just mentioned that in essence, it's a prequel. I wouldn't doubt Sony sold it as a prequel, to Marvel, at some point.
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RobotJerk wrote:I have a hard time seeing how anyone can consider a reboot that takes place concurrently to the previous series and retells his origin and many of the events of the previous series as a "prequel."
Ok, Ill use capital letters since you seemed to miss it last time.

HE DIDN'T CALL IT A PREQUEL, HE CALLED IT A PREQUEL IN SPIRIT.
Let me rephrase then: I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING HOW ANYONE CAN CONSIDER A REBOOT THAT TAKES PLACE CONCURRENTLY TO THE PREVIOUS SERIES AND RETELLS HIS ORIGIN AND MANY OF THE THE EVENTS OF THE PREVIOUS SERIES AS A "PREQUEL IN SPIRIT."

Happy now?

It still comes down to "this movie that's not a prequel isn't prequelly enough," which is a ridiculous argument to make when it's not a prequel.

If a "prequel in spirit," or an "in essence a prequel" (or any other non-sense phrase you can make up to rationalize holding two incompatible views simultaneously), aren't actually prequels, then they shouldn't be held to the same continuity standards a prequel would be, which is what he was trying to do here.
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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by PhreakyMex » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:52 pm

All that to say this...

Marvel better not re-tell the origin again... Just start with Spidey already existing and fighting off established villains (Goblin, Electro, Sandman, etc) in his little corner of NY (which is mighty fucking crowded if Avengers tower is right in the middle and DD is in Hells Kitchen, and Luke Cage is in fuckin Brookly, and Jessica Jones is somewhere in there too)

Just please for the love of all that is holy.. get this shit away from Sony.. and Avi Arad...
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Post by SoVi3t » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:16 am

PhreakyMex wrote:All that to say this...

Marvel better not re-tell the origin again... Just start with Spidey already existing and fighting off established villains (Goblin, Electro, Sandman, etc) in his little corner of NY (which is mighty fucking crowded if Avengers tower is right in the middle and DD is in Hells Kitchen, and Luke Cage is in fuckin Brookly, and Jessica Jones is somewhere in there too)

Just please for the love of all that is holy.. get this shit away from Sony.. and Avi Arad...
from what's been leaked in the Sony e-mails, it seems Avi Arad is the obstacle that needs to be overcome, both Sony and Marvel realize how bad he is.

And Marvel stated they want to skip his origin, and just introduce a seasoned Spidey.
Let me rephrase then: I HAVE A HARD TIME SEEING HOW ANYONE CAN CONSIDER A REBOOT THAT TAKES PLACE CONCURRENTLY TO THE PREVIOUS SERIES AND RETELLS HIS ORIGIN AND MANY OF THE THE EVENTS OF THE PREVIOUS SERIES AS A "PREQUEL IN SPIRIT."
probably because it was pitched to Marvel as a prequel, and the fact it deals with events that happened before the previous Spider-Man happened (ie-Peter's parents, connections to Oscorp, etc), but then went on to contradict the events from the other movies (Peter needs web shooters, Osborn died before ever dealing with Spider-Man, etc), thus creating two different origins in two different tellings of the movie by the same studio, thus confusing the general public about Spider-Man in general.

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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by die » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:27 pm

Gwen's death meant something in comics (and killed the silver age) because they built her character up, rather than introduce her for the sole reason of being killed off. Should Daredevil just bring in Karen Page and instantly make her a heroin addicted porn star, or would it make more sense to slowly build up her character, and the history her and Matt share, and THEN tear it all down?

I'm guessing you wanted Uncle Ben to die in the opening credits, too?

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I stick by all of the comments that I've ever made about this series. They should've made Emma Stone be Mary Jane anyways, with the red hair, she was perfect. Seriously, they should've put Gwen Stacy and Felicia Hardy in too for good measure in smaller roles to pave the way for future stories. Hobbit DiCaprio Green Goblin was ass, Stereotypical Villain backstory Electro was crap and re-telling the Uncle Ben story again was shitty.

The movie should've started with just Peter and Aunt May living together after Ben died, period. Green Goblin should've been a legit crazy Norman Osbourne wearing a theatrical type of outfit, it's just who Goblin is, period. Quit trying to re-invent or modernize him... You get that crazy mask, flying by on a sled with a trail of black smoke and the audience will be on-board.

Also, I like Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man, but I hate him as Peter Parker. When he's actually Spider-Man, he reminds me of classic Spidey, he looks the part and sounds the part. His Peter Parker is just goofy, he's just like some hipster skater.

The suit in ASM2 looked awesome, that's the best thing they accomplished.
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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by RobotJerk » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:07 pm

They should've made Emma Stone be Mary Jane anyways, with the red hair, she was perfect.
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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by die » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:43 pm

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I mean, it's like she is actually trying to look like the classic comic version of Mary Jane in that pic.

It's beyond easy to find a skinny blonde white girl in Hollywood, how do you actually get Emma Stone to sign on for this movie and not make her Mary Jane???

Don't say "they wanted to be different", because you know they retold the EXACT Uncle Ben origin story with a slightly reworded "with great power" speech.


Hell, if they needed the perfect chick for the Gwen Stacy role, they could've just went with Beth from TWD.

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There would've been a lot more tears at the end of ASM2, I can tell you that. TWD fans are still crying and still saying that somehow Beth's death will end up just being Carol's dream while in a coma or some shit. :lmao:

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Re: The Marvel Movie Thread

Post by SoVi3t » Thu Dec 25, 2014 3:45 pm

http://nerdbastards.com/2014/12/22/look ... pider-man/
If Spider-Man appears in Captain America Civil War, Sony will produce 25% of that film. This also means that Marvel will produce 25% of the next solo Spider-Man which is said to be released in July of 2017. This deal will also allow Sony to use only two of Marvel’s roster in their films and continue the plot from Civil War to make the universe connect well. It appears that Spidey will join the rest of our beloved pals in Avengers: Infinity War Part 1in 2018, then another solo Spidey film in 2019.

Sony will still have some creative control over certain aspects, such as the suit, the actor (who must have at least a three movie deal), other castings, and the script (Only with parts involving Spidey). Avi Arad, Kevin Feige, and Matt Tolmach are said to produce anything involving Spidey and Drew Goddard has been chosen to be a possible director for the first solo film.

If any Marvel film that involves Spidey is some way misses their release date, Sony will have to pay $100,000,000 and the deal will be kaput. Sony now has three years and nine moths to begin pre-production on Civil War or the FULL rights go back to Marvel.”
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